Mods in ranked games.

no it doesn't.

As it stands you can't be top of the ladder without a higher apm than the highest apm starcraft II players.

uhm... no.. I am living proof of that.

And btw.. nobody in PA has a apm above 200. or nobody I have seen play that is. SC2 top players can reach up to 5oo with an unique person (forgot who) who reaches 700 while playing. With an average of 350 apm.

I rank between 10 and 30 (was at #25 last time I checked)... my APM maxes out at around 150 which isn't all that fast. Having said that, I tend to make a lot of use of time saving tools (more so than other players) so I have a comparatively high 'CPM' (what Uber measures, as in Commands per minute) of circa 40. I've seen people with well over 200 'APM' not actually issue any more commands than me, they just click more

Edit: Also a point worth making, a better UI will help bring the APM and CPM measurements closer together. One big reason for the disparity is that for one command, you usually need several inputs (e.g. select a unit, select an action and apply the action would be 3 actions for one command). Things like Area Built and Line Build help redress the balance however as with only a couple of actions you can issue a load of commands The UI in PA isn't too bad imo...

Matiz did point out though that the way PA plays, and with the zooming you typically do, his APM in PA was half that of his APM in SC2. I would be wary of doing direct APM comparisons.

yeah go get to the top of the ladder watching your movie.

is the AI at the top of the ladder? and we have the best AI in the world.

It kinda is. I think i have something like 30. and as far as i know top level starcraft players reach 200 max.

i've seen stutterstep used on dox.

I can't fukin do that stuff! and they kill waaay more tanks when they do that.

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high level sc2 players quite often go above 200 apm, though one could argue that with 200 apm you can play at very very high level already. If you'd make them pay for every keypress I am sure they could be a lot more efficient, but as it is people like to show off with as much apm as possible.

also:


apm avg 71
http://www.pastats.com/player?player=62156

My bad.. was taking "top of the ladder" as top 10 not number 1 specifically.

I don't spam and my apm is around 170 on good days. Anyone above 180 spams in pa.

Wat? I'm saying if there is absolutely no micro in PA. I'm fine with multi-player mods.

Your '30' is CPM (as in commands per minute) not APM (which is dumb actions and is what is measured in SC2).

If you measure a top SC2 players CPM in the way PA does, then your talking 90 CPM, not 200

One of the top SC1 players got into spring a while back, that was where he maxed out in Spring (which measures commands not raw actions).

As I explained, 1 command is approx 3 or more actions. That means your a similar speed to me....

Yeah to clarify @tatsujb, PA masures CPM, however PA:Stats measures classic 'APM' so you'll notice your figure is higher on there if you have PA:Stats installed?

Edit: Interesting I've just looked up my APM on Pa:Stats, it's at 75 average...

Edit edit: Looking at you @tatsujb although your average is only 41, looking at a 1 v 1 game as an example, your peak APM in this game http://pastats.com/chart?gameId=240257 is approx 110... It's surprising how fast you can get when under pressure

The average includes all games, not just 1v1

and you're absolutely super-duper wrong.

clearly still not fast enough!


I can't compete with teh stutterstep

in the end @cdrkf, you do proove my point.

higher APM players end up higher in the ladder, not much can be said to the contrary.

still twice my own.

I'd argue players who know exactly what they need to do tend to do it faster because they know what to do without thinking first. Has nothing to do with how "fast" your fingers are. Any normal human can move their fingers to press 200 buttons per minute.

30 apm according to pa stats?

http://pastats.com/player?player=3319
well 41
that is less than one click per second. Really neither 71 nor 41 overall key presses per minute is a lot or hard to reach.

I do 200-240 apm avg

But that is pretty slow. sc2 players go up to 400.

Anyway, you don't need high apm to play pa, it's rpetty skill capped mechanically anyway. Nearly every single one of my wins for the past months have been build order wins and not micro wins - nothing really that special.

If it could make a lot of those key presses for me, if I could make one keypress and it could understand to do a series of things, then I would still rather that. Because most nobody likes clicking as much as possible.

If you like APM, then perhaps the UI should be changed where you can't area build anymore and you have to rapid-click a line of stuff out, maybe hotkeys altogether removed, maybe double-clicking removed. That would make you have to click lots more. Whoowey, would take some skill to play that...