diversifying the meta

Play a balance mod.

I win the thread.

it cant however be the same it has been before its removement .. it should not have trackable Missiles and no AoE ...

How about no? Mods are not an excuse for everything.

And please, Stingers.

You keep ignoring the solution while I keep ignoring the problem then See who has more fun by the end.

I agree with no AoE, but as an AA bot, maybe the missiles should track, but have a slow turning time so they are more likely to miss.

What about pot shot aa? :>

the Spinners Missiles track too ... it would be the same Problem it was before ...
cheaper stingers turning the spinner redundant ..
if the stinger or bot aa shall come back then for me without tracking ammunition ...

like beam aa? yea why not ...

hehehhee

I have a balance thing.....that I'm working on. And it has most of these changes. (not the stinger - still on the fence about that one).
READ THE BALANCE FORUM PEOPLE.

Here it is:
https://forums.uberent.com/threads/fixing-the-balance.65408/

I'm online right now. If we get enough people, I could start throwing games up with the changes.

Yep. You win.

Can we please stop using the "use a mod" excuse for poor vanilla gameplay?

The man said, I win. Literally, any problems you have with balance, get a blank server mod, fill it with the units folder from vanilla, change anything that pisses you off, and play using that mild tweak.

I am sure there is an equally viable forum you should submit balance requests to any other RTS game in existance, but how many of them apply it? All you ever see, is a player patch.

We aren't excusing anything, I think you will find.

Solution? That's not a good solution. In the end, Uber is the one having problems when you have to rely on mods for balancing.

Aaactually.. Balance is terribly subjective. There is no real bad or good balance; only opinions.

If you want a particular balance, it's not their fault that you dislike their balance that maybe they do like.

(I say this as someone who really dislikes vanilla balance, and created my and friend's own balance mod based on what I'd prefer)

Still, requiring mods for that is not good. "Better" balancing should...no, HAS to be in the vanilla game. Just saying "hey, we got a mod for that" will kill the vanilla game, because everyone needs a bunch of mods.

You don't really get it, there is no "better" balance, no matter how the game is balanced someone will always disagree, as balance is very very subjective.

The guy who started the thread wanted a more diverse meta. TheTrophySystem answered with "play with a balance mod". Not only I disagree on having a "balance mod". < mind the quote.

I think @mered4 had a point- it's not that a mod is the solution, more that it is a way to *test our theories* to present to Uber. Everyone has different ideas about what will *fix* balance, and whilst many sound plausible enough, they often have unforeseen side effects or simply don't work in practice.

By playing games and actively tuning balance between them, we can thrash out a balance we all agree is better- and then go to Uber with something more constructive than a blanket "Vanilla balance is ****"....

Lets take the AA as an example, a good experiment would be to test changing *just the AA* to allow the two types to co-exist. It's probably harder than it sounds.... Simply staying in here with the attitude of 'I don't do mods, fix it Uber' isn't really helpful, why not help work out a solution sein' as Mered is taking the time to try it?

Well, they could put the mod INTO the game. That is something you have to pester them about.

How about this. You stop playing the game, telling Uber you refuse until they add the balance into the game... And I will continue playing the game with the balance. I think its fair, mostly because I don't care 'bout no'one but m'self

I just want to point out that even if I want uber to step in, I haven't more wisdom in a sentence all year.

I think dox are fine, it's just the price. Bumping price would kill two birds: bots less favorable without nerfing any dox parameters (which are fine IMO), and will help with performance.

Why build grenadiers when dox are cheaper and better in almost any other aspect? Why build self destructing unit (except for snipes) with no vision if you can have longer lasting unit for the same price?