1. schuesseled192

    schuesseled192 Active Member

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    You need a CD key to register, I believe I was addressing what I would do if I had lost it. Registering it after the fact would pose challenging.
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    tatsujb Post Master General

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    but registering before is called prevention : D

    it's the best way to not loose the key.
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    schuesseled192 Active Member

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    And what if Steam decides to ban/delete or for some other reason prevent me from accessing my account and I LOSE MY CD!!!!

    Anyway. I feel we have gotten off track.
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    tatsujb Post Master General

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    I feel you'd be hard pressed to get yourself banned from steam before loosing your key without steam, but hey that's just me :p
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  5. schuesseled192

    schuesseled192 Active Member

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    With the risk of derailing this train we are riding. I'll tell you a secret, it wouldn't be the first time my account was banned from steam. :O
  6. tatsujb

    tatsujb Post Master General

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    the only way I know of being banned on steam is cheating!

    Witch ! Witch! everyone come hither! we must burn the cheater! BUUUUURN!

    :p
  7. Geers

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    Here's a thought: Don't get banned.
  8. schuesseled192

    schuesseled192 Active Member

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    Good advice.
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  10. ohhhshiny

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    What? Why is this thread heading into some weird kind of always-onlinehating, and the link by ufarax doesnt have any connection to this topic as well. Nobody i know is actually angry because the always-onlinecondition, or is in some anti-gamer-campaign involved. But i dont get all this semi-political anti-gamer-nonsense anyway, and actually, i dont even care.
    SC2 just feels "right" in the way it is. It is a very fast paced game and the game gives you every tool u need to be everywhere u need to be in an instant. I press like 7 buttons on my keyboard in ~3 seconds and i have the most important input about all my bases including production + my army.

    I dont even think the lack of a minimap is the biggest flaw in PA. Like, seriously, even though almost every other RTS offers a minimap, it COULD be okay to have no minimap (It was 100% okay to have no minimap when i was fighting in the alpha on one planet), if the game would give you the tools and the speed to get the information you want as quick as u want. But right now youre kinda scrolling, and scrolling, and if youre not scrolling to the right location at the right time you might die. But as i said, this is not the biggest flaw in my opinion.
    Even the lack of a easy to handle UI or the complete abstinence of a pathfinding (yes, units still drive and stop when they hit obstacles), or the lack of balance (Naval anybody - u might not believe it, but its in the game!) OP Tier 2 tanks - Orbital is not the flaw here.

    In my opinion, what hits the most is that Uber didnt deliever what it promised. It promised a massive scale war with huge armies across several planets. What do we have? ridiculous overpowered Super weapons, 20 minute parts of games where NOTHING of Interest happens, until one side has the stuff it needs to snipe the enemy commander.

    No big scale wars across several planets, the UI doesnt even give the tools u would need to play something like this in a fun way, only things to PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING! It is downright impossible to lay a big siege with airforce and ground + naval on a planet, instead you need some kind of super weapon. This is no fun. Not even a little bit.

    I can say, if Uber wouldve been able to deliever what it promised, massive scale armies battling each other across several planets instead of this planetsmashing/ super laser / nukes-focused thing we have right now, the game wouldve gotten the reviews it deserved.

    Because i love tanks fighting each other, and naval, and air, and if wouldve been well made, orbital couldve been the icing on the cake, with the sweet spot of super weapons and planet smashing. But right now its not possible on a big scale. Its like the "RTS -pyramide" (like the food pyramide =D) is reversed, with super weapons on the base and tanks etc. on the top

    And btw, people are argueing "WELL IT IS WELL MADE IF YOU PLAY A 1ON1 ON A SINGLE PLANET" and "WELL IT IS A FEATURE OF THIS GAME TO FIGHT ACROSS SEVERAL PLANETS" in almost one sentence. Thats not how this works. Thats not how any of this works.
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  11. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    I personally agree, but it's technically still illegal, the normal rebuttal is "You can't just run to a store saying you owned something, lost it, and take that CD." The only reason it's more viable is be a use what you gas is infinite while a store isnt.
  12. schuesseled192

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    No.... digital copies != physical copies. DRM is what tries to balance that equation (most people refer to that as draconian evil-do-ery) preventing your rights to do what you please with digital copies of the games you own, including making copies of them. (as long as you aren't violating copyright laws e.g. making copies to sell).

    It's perfectly legal to download software that you own. 100% above board.

    It was this reasoning that allowed file-share sites to dodge the 'corporate executioners axe' for so long, until they tricked the courts into forcing internet providers into banning those sites. (Although it's still not illegal to use them!(for legal purposes of course.))
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    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    The law doesn't agree as far as I can remember...

    Also sorry for the misspellings, and random words, autocorrect is really stupid ^^;
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    "Digital locks placed in accordance with DRM policies can also restrict users from exercising their legal rights under copyright law, such as backing up copies of CDs or DVDs, lending materials out through a library, accessing works in the public domain, or using copyrighted materials for research and education under the US fair use laws,[12] and under French law.[15] The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and the Free Software Foundation (FSF) consider the use of DRM systems to be anti-competitive practice.[16][17]"
  15. Raevn

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    Backing up your disks is perfectly legal. But that doesn't automatically mean you have rights to re-acquire the disk from elsewhere if you didn't back it up (though I too would have no qualms doing that, I'm merely talking from the POV of the law), and it definitely doesn't allow for the download of a cracked or pirated version. In most cases though, they are more concerned about those that are sharing in the first place, since that is very clearly not legal, wheras re-acquiring a disk (assuming all other DRM measures such as needing a key are intact) is probably something you could challenge, and therefore not worth their time as much.
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  16. schuesseled192

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    The difference is really very minimal. The software is identical so it's a form of back-up, and you are permitted under the same law to alter that digital medium, so cracking again, legal. (as long as you own a copy and aren't selling it on)
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  17. ohhhshiny

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    can u pleeeaaase discuss the matter of "whats legal and whats not" in another thread, because it has like 0 reasons to be in this one
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  18. qwerty3w

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    Since there are no space battles, interplanetary invasions with units are not interceptable in this game, this sort of thing traditionally belong to superweapons in RTS genre, like Chronosphere in Red Alert series.

    So basically all interactions between battlefields in PA are based on superweapons, which is a horrible thing considering the game is themed around multiple battlefields.
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  19. schuesseled192

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    I've made several attempts to stop this train wreck.
  20. tatsujb

    tatsujb Post Master General

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    unfortunately as much as I may agree with you, that argument won't hold up in a court of law.
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