It was a mistake to call this a release

Discussion in 'Planetary Annihilation General Discussion' started by thexder1, September 13, 2014.

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  1. zgrssd

    zgrssd Active Member

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    You quoted who I am. And it was clearly not a "works for me".
    Since you are still trying to dodge (this time by playing dumb) it I am going to continue to ask it. As apparently that is a weakpoint in your entire argment that you cannot overcome.

    "I have worked the last 10 years, in comptuer reperair, adminsitration and programming. Also in my country programmers are well schooled in the arts of economics. I told you who I am to say "this game is ready for launch".
    Needs some work like all released titles, but it sure as heck is ready.

    Now who are you to declare it not ready for launch? What is your experience in the field? Is there anything but "I say it does not work for me"? Because that is not the basis for such a arrogant declaration.
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  2. MrTBSC

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    uber shouldn´t have released it ... ok cool we get it .... and what does that help us now? right! NOTHING ... the damage is done already ... now is the time to minimise further damage to put the stuff in needed to make this a better experience so people could either forget or forgive that kind of release happened ... putting someones mistakes to the face over and over does not change anything .. the massage is long clear ... now let them work ...
  3. SolitaryCheese

    SolitaryCheese Post Master General

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    This whole thread summed up in one picture:

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    Don't mind me. Just messing around.
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  4. squishypon3

    squishypon3 Post Master General

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    Semantics, semantics everywhere. :D
  5. zgrssd

    zgrssd Active Member

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    Care to answer this:
  6. SolitaryCheese

    SolitaryCheese Post Master General

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    I am not sure why you quoted me and what I have to do with the other quote. By any chance, did you read my text below the picture? It was a joke.

    MrTBSC is correct, btw.
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  7. zgrssd

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    It was not clear that you meant it ironically. The picture overshadows the text by far.

    Edit: And sorry for the misunderstanding.
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  8. burlayz

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    I'm someone who backed PA on kickstarter because it promised specific features on release, one of these being no DRM, it doesn't have that.

    And I honestly don't see the relevance of your work history if you're not going to actually say which games you've worked on to see if you think promising non-existent features is a good practice
  9. zgrssd

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    You are still dodging the question. The more you do that, the weaker you point will get.

    So again:
    "I have worked the last 10 years, in comptuer reperair, adminsitration and programming. Also in my country programmers are well schooled in the arts of economics. I told you who I am to say "this game is ready for launch".
    Needs some work like all released titles, but it sure as heck is ready.

    Now who are you to declare it not ready for launch? What is your experience in the field? Is there anything but "I say it does not work for me"? Because that is not the basis for such a arrogant declaration."

    Also a second question to answer came up:
    Care to anwer that one isntead?
  10. burlayz

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    I don't even know what you're looking for here, I've told you who I am, why this is relevant to me, what I'm upset with and what would fix that, maybe instead of reposting the exact same phrase indefinitely you should consider trying to get your point across a bit better.

    As for the second point, what? I shouldn't voice my opinion? if I don't have anything positive to say I shouldn't say anything at all? Uber messed up, plain and simple, if they weren't ready for some negative feedback then they should have made better decisions.
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  11. MrTBSC

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    how bout you add something contructive to the discussion?
    how many guys do you think are as concerned dissapointed or angry ... you are just one more guy on the pile ... another additional number to the statistics of disapointed people ... ok ... and? you voiced your opinion .. congrats ... what now ?
    ask for a refund maybe? ...
    because voicing your opinion alone wont change anything ...
    what uber should or shouldn't have is long late by now .. what matters now is tommorow
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  12. burlayz

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    Voicing my opinion sends a message, maybe they won't put something that's in my and a lot of others opinions 100% necessary on the sidelines in the future.

    The gimmicky laser moon wasn't a necessity, offline play was.
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  13. MrTBSC

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    congratz on sending the massage that has been send a hundrets of times now ...
    offline play will come ... and it has been said before it will be after release ... eta .. soon
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  14. SolitaryCheese

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    The point is, voicing the same opinion as a thousand others have done before is redundant and adds nothing constructive to the mix.
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    They've already said tons of times it's coming, "gimmicky laser moon" also isn't as hard to make as making a very intuitive and user friendly server. Right now to run a server you need tons of batch files and it's quite complicated. MUCH too complicated for the average user. Not to mention turning a game based on client server architecture to a client on client offline (playing without running a lan server) is difficult.
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    I, for one, honestly don't believe we'll ever see the private server code provided to the community. That's my opinion, I'm sure plenty of people have plenty of other opinions. I just don't see how it's a smart business move for Uber to actually release the server. Also, it almost certainly won't be open source, so it's pretty much up the the reverse engineering community to do.

    @squishypon3 There are plenty of people on this forum that don't need a turnkey-double-click-windows-installer-with-a-friendly-ui server experience. That isn't even the case for minecraft servers.
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    of course its not open source that has never been stated to be the case ... what uber promises is offline capabilities and modability .. open source however was never the subjekt ...
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    Have you ever run a minecraft server? You just click the .exe and there it goes! :p

    Unless you're doing a bukkit server. But like I said, the majority of players really won't want to deal with it, PA's server apparently requires quite a few batch files and such. Ask @cwarner7264 about it.
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    One should remember how falcon 4 was released. Devs talked to fans and told them : "listen guys, either we release it as it is for business reasons or it will never be released. Since we want to deliver as much as we promised, then we release it. We know it's absolutly not perfect, but it's the best we can do". And then it was released and patched with most of bugs fixed. Well i know how the story ends (Source code leaked by one of the original developper), but this is not what i'm expecting. I'm simply saying that at some point it's all about business. You need money to make a game, you probably need even more money than you claimed you needed, but if you has claimed for more, the game would never have existed at all. So here there's a solid chance to have a wonderfull game. It just requires that we keep calm and stop complaining. What do you think Uber would have done if they've had 20$ millions at the very beginning ?
    Uber know what they are doing. They have not built their game studio to let it die. But at some point business rules come into play.
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    I tried to find Go to First Unreadreasons why Uber headed for such an early release. This is my conclusion.
    1. The game is overall playable, no real gamebraker is in there! Generally a real good game, so Uber might even have expected to get real good reviews!
    2. Reviews aren´t terrible right now. Game should sell at least 50.000 Copies @FullPrice with these stats, so Uber might gain more than 1 Million Dollars for it!
    3. If only 20% of those who joined playing PA at release enjoy it, it was defintivly worth it!
    This would result in 10000 new players---> a big step forwards for the player density in Multiplayer!
    4. Ways more feedback, ways more bug reports= Acceleration of the whole game development!
    5. Uber still got the possibility to launch an EnhancedEdtion later on. Like the original release this will proberbly mainly contain some labeling of the game, but it might get the press again to focus on PA-
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